@eastend1 i read the discussion between (Zoltan) and (Big-boss) .. hahaha.
one of them believe that in football everything is poossile (that's what happend), the other one is confident that he has the future in his poket (10000000 stats to prove that liverpool have already won the game).. GOD!!!
@sampo You need lessons in reading. I never said Liverpool will win the game, merely that it's unlikely to happen. The betting odds were also in favor of Liverpool, which strengthens my point. What I did was examine why Zoltan thought Liverpool would drop points and concluded that most of his points were actually non relevant and even false. Zoltan also thinks that 1. Liverpool plays defensive and 2. It's a good bet to put money on a relegation team to win against Liverpool. Just because he got this one right doesn't make him a visionary, just a lucky guess which was made possible by multiple individual errors and a collective off day from Liverpool. I make sense, he doesn't - which is expected since he has some sort of agenda against Liverpool.
I just don't understand, how could some Arsenal fans can be so proud because Watford score 3 goals to beat Liverpool??? It was not Arsenal's who score 3 goals vs Liverpool. I do understand that Arsenal is the only club who won EPL without any single loss (2003/2004). And I do recognize, why do some Arsenal fans so proud of it, because it was the last Arsenal's major trophy!!! Winning domestic cups doesn't make a world class club. It's either 1st tier domestic league or a Champions League trophy. And for me, it's the hype of invincible that last too long that drag Arsenal down. If some Arsenal fans proudest moment was the invincible 2003/2004, i honestly prefer Arsenal lost 3 games in season 2003/2004, and win 3 more major trophies. Congrat to Watford's fans, "you still have a great season in a row" to Liverpool's fans. To Arsenal's fan, didn't we have to focus to our own club, so we can have a better future? #supportarteta
@What4 LFC dominance is the only reason Premier League looks weak atm. Otherwise you could argue it just got more competitive. EPL teams dominated internationally last year, this year still got 2 of the 3 best teams. They haven't been this strong for over a decade.
If someone told me before this match that they were kidnapped by aliens, I'd have believed them more than I could believe Liverpool would lose a PL match this season.
@SeuneMilmas the experts made a lucky guess, like I have many times as well. All correct predictions are luck, otherwise these experts would be very wealthy.
@newoxet Zidane 4 Champions League in 5 years (1 of them as an assistant coach but counts also) while your Flopp managed to lose all European finals except one. Lets not mention other trophies Zizou won as a manager - La Liga, Spanish Supercup and other things.. Flopp is miles below Zidane.
This kind of play from the defensive four won't do for Liverpool. I'm sure they'll win the league still, but the Champions League will be in jeopardy sooner rather than later. Liverpool have been loosing their momentum and have played worse and worse, and winning by smaller margins. This might be the low watermark of the season. It will be interesting to see where this leads.
As Liverpool had shown in last season's Champions League final, the team with less possession enjoy an intrinsic advantage over the possession-dominant team. In other words, the less Guardiola-influenced a team is, the more likely they are to experience success.
@SeuneMilmas Sorry to burst your bubble, but Liverpool is enjoying the second highest possession in the league and they won all but two of their games.
@falcon_ranger Realisticallty, they have every right to 'think' that they have won the league. They virtually have won the league. This loss comes down to multiple personal errors and a collective poor performance + Lovren lol.
Can't begrudge Watford really. Every player has been poor for Liverpool and Watford took advantage of multiple personal mistakes. Even before the game I would never have started with Lovren when you have a fit Matip.
THE Premier League may be forced to hold emergency crisis talks to decide whether Liverpool can be crowned champions if coronavirus wipes out the end of the season.
@nexus747 So far coronavirus has killed 1 person from the UK (and that person was in Japan at the time). They might as well call off the premier league on the basis of road traffic accidents as you're 100's of times more likely to die from driving to the match than you are from coronavirus!
@nexus747 Not likely to happen, or was that supposed to be funny? That virus is heavily overhyped when it comes to fatality anyhow. Most people who died from it were weak enough already to be killed by a "regular cold virus" as well. The media loves a good killer virus story though.
Yeah, yeah....Watford will be the unlikely side to inflict blah...blah...blah..... Liverpool almost drew against West Ham last time around, they will be without Henderson and Milner, their front three is still out of form, and Liverpool's defense conceded 2 goals in the last game at home. On the top of it they will rest key players with the Chelsea game on the horizon. All the while key Watford player Ismaila Sarr will be back in the lineup. I say that this is the time that Liverpool will lose points, perhaps even 3 points because Watford will fight for his life to get out of the relegation zone!
@Byakuya You probably mean overrated, especially since he got a fluke prediction right. Examine the points he makes: 1. He states that henderson and Milner are key players. This is not corrent. 2. He states that the front three are out of form, yet two out of three scored in the last match. 3. He states that liverpool will rest key players. Liverpool did not. 4. He states that Sarr will be back in the lineup, this was true and he did score which was likely if it were to happen. 5. He states that Watford will fight for their lives. Watford played defensive and took advantage of mistakes. They didn't force a win by attacking. Finally, he went against the odds, which is always a bigger gamble. His (previous) points are frankly odd.
@Zoltan Just give it a break. We all know you just want Liverpool to lose or drop points. It has nothing to do with making good predictions so what do you contribute to this site? Here are other facts: 1) In the last 8 games against Watford, Klopps men won seven times and draw one. 2) Liverpool scored the most goals against Watford: 27 goals in 9 games. 3) On Vicarage Road, five out of six times three goals were scored. 4) Mané's and Salahs total contribution for the Reds against Watford in five games against them: thirteen goals, five assists. 5) Milner and Henderson are not key players for Liverpool.
@Big_Boss Sorry, I miss hit "Reported", forget that. I just wanted to reply to your message. So, all the statistics that you quoted are irrelevant! If you did not know, when betting the most recent stats are the most relevant - as you progressively go back in time, those stats are totally irrelevant. That's probably why you are only winning by chance when betting (if at all), as opposed to me (your nick does not count, I am sorry!). If you look at the stats with and without these 2 players you will find that Milner and Henderson ARE INDEED key players for Liverpool in spite of your denial. And finally, when I say that the front three are out of form, I mean according to their most recent stats, not the OVERALL, and therefore IRRELEVANT stats that you quoted above.
@Zoltan Speaking of irrelevant, your whole post makes little sense. You want recent stats? 1) Liverpool are in first place, Watford are second bottom of the league. 2) You can win hefty if you bet against Liverpool 3) Watford lost their last game and only gained TWO points from their last five games. 4) Watford will not be hoping to get anything from Liverpool, despite being in the relegation zone. They will play on the defense and maybe hope for a draw bar a fluke goal. 5) Milner and Henderson are not key players since their replacements can do a decent or sometimes better job. A key player is part of the spine, both players are not. Do not assume to know me. I never bet on games. (So much for your assumption). A player can be out of form and still be efficient by scoring or assisting. Both Mané and Salah are 'not in form' but they still scored a goal each. This is relevant to acknowledge the possible outcome of the game. You're basically telling people to bet against the odds.
Go right to the bottom and read the bin dippers predictions - best laugh you will have today guaranteed...
@eastend1 I think only one person in this entire discussion correctly predicted a comfortable Watford win.
@eastend1 i read the discussion between (Zoltan) and (Big-boss) .. hahaha. one of them believe that in football everything is poossile (that's what happend), the other one is confident that he has the future in his poket (10000000 stats to prove that liverpool have already won the game).. GOD!!!
@sampo You need lessons in reading. I never said Liverpool will win the game, merely that it's unlikely to happen. The betting odds were also in favor of Liverpool, which strengthens my point. What I did was examine why Zoltan thought Liverpool would drop points and concluded that most of his points were actually non relevant and even false. Zoltan also thinks that 1. Liverpool plays defensive and 2. It's a good bet to put money on a relegation team to win against Liverpool. Just because he got this one right doesn't make him a visionary, just a lucky guess which was made possible by multiple individual errors and a collective off day from Liverpool. I make sense, he doesn't - which is expected since he has some sort of agenda against Liverpool.
I just don't understand, how could some Arsenal fans can be so proud because Watford score 3 goals to beat Liverpool??? It was not Arsenal's who score 3 goals vs Liverpool. I do understand that Arsenal is the only club who won EPL without any single loss (2003/2004). And I do recognize, why do some Arsenal fans so proud of it, because it was the last Arsenal's major trophy!!! Winning domestic cups doesn't make a world class club. It's either 1st tier domestic league or a Champions League trophy. And for me, it's the hype of invincible that last too long that drag Arsenal down. If some Arsenal fans proudest moment was the invincible 2003/2004, i honestly prefer Arsenal lost 3 games in season 2003/2004, and win 3 more major trophies. Congrat to Watford's fans, "you still have a great season in a row" to Liverpool's fans. To Arsenal's fan, didn't we have to focus to our own club, so we can have a better future? #supportarteta
Liverpool needs reworking their defense, more depth, without joe gomes their sloppy performance back like last season.
Evidently, Joe Gomez is Liverpool’s best defender, perhaps the world best and not Van Dijk
Liverpool's poor defensive display has finally caught up today
Wenger's message to Klopp : Bayern won 6-0 (ツ)
40 points may not be enough for survival in the EPL this season.
Klopp is a btec Wenger, can't even go unbeaten in the weakest league anyone can remember.
@What4 LFC dominance is the only reason Premier League looks weak atm. Otherwise you could argue it just got more competitive. EPL teams dominated internationally last year, this year still got 2 of the 3 best teams. They haven't been this strong for over a decade.
LOL
Thanks for saving football, lads. Nigel Pearson masterclass!
@splint3r if you truly want to save football then have a go at the teams that are blatantly cheating FFP
@splint3r toby
@newoxet What???
@splint3r Cockney rhyming slang / Toby jug = mug
Arnold in only the best right-back in the world in the attack. In the defence he's very poor. And not only for this match.
@MrNemobody I didn`t even know that he is considered as the best right back in world ...
@neumi17 your lack of knowledge astounds me
@MrNemobody This is common knowledge and a common trademark for wingbacks.
@MrNemobody Doesn't hold a candle to Wan-Bissaka defensively. But yeah, offensively superb.
Arsenal have announced a bronze statue of Ismaila Sarr is to be commissioned.
Arsene GOAT!!
@Patrikovic No international trophies, no GOAT
If someone told me before this match that they were kidnapped by aliens, I'd have believed them more than I could believe Liverpool would lose a PL match this season.
@GioMonaldo The experts correctly predicted that Watford would score 3 goals and beat Liverpool.
@SeuneMilmas the experts made a lucky guess, like I have many times as well. All correct predictions are luck, otherwise these experts would be very wealthy.
There is only one unbeaten - Wenger and his Arsenal. Flopp is still far away from reaching that heights.
@stefanm Champions League Stefan? Thought so
@eastend1 at least Real madrid won more league titles in last 30 years than loserpool
@stefanm got a lot further than Zidane though , twice
@newoxet Zidane 4 Champions League in 5 years (1 of them as an assistant coach but counts also) while your Flopp managed to lose all European finals except one. Lets not mention other trophies Zizou won as a manager - La Liga, Spanish Supercup and other things.. Flopp is miles below Zidane.
@stefanm then why did RM try to get Klopp to replace Zerodine? No going there btw, No chance
@newoxet good, i dont even want that clown near our club , guy who is famous for losing a lot of big european finals
@stefanm Wenger the GOAT. Pearson Manager of the Season.
Finally! Arsenal supporters have something to cheer this season. :')
This struggling Pool will score maximum 1 goal vs Atletico, they were clueless even against Monterrey and Flamengo
@Pastore10 I hope you're wrong, I bet all my money on Liverpool qualifying.
@Pastore10 Klopp will have a hard time against the best manager in the world.
@SeuneMilmas most paid manager in the world, definitely not best*
@stefanm Can't think of any manager that is better than Diego Simeone in world football at the moment.
@SeuneMilmas how many champions league medals? Nada
@SeuneMilmas Boring, defensive rubbish, if all teams played that way no one would watch.
This kind of play from the defensive four won't do for Liverpool. I'm sure they'll win the league still, but the Champions League will be in jeopardy sooner rather than later. Liverpool have been loosing their momentum and have played worse and worse, and winning by smaller margins. This might be the low watermark of the season. It will be interesting to see where this leads.
Finally Liverpool runs out of luck and power to turn things around each game.
@neumi17 one game, not “each”
@newoxet Huh ? At least 6 , 7 games ... West Ham, Norwich, Wolverhampton Wanderers, Flamengo, Monterrey, Watford, Crystal Palace, Aston Villa ...
@neumi17 yep, won them all
As Liverpool had shown in last season's Champions League final, the team with less possession enjoy an intrinsic advantage over the possession-dominant team. In other words, the less Guardiola-influenced a team is, the more likely they are to experience success.
@SeuneMilmas Sorry to burst your bubble, but Liverpool is enjoying the second highest possession in the league and they won all but two of their games.
@SeuneMilmas really? then how come man city won 2 premier league titles in a row with more possession than anyone else
This is what happens when you think you have already won the league. Big relief for Arsenal fans who cling on to their sole relevant achievement
@falcon_ranger Realisticallty, they have every right to 'think' that they have won the league. They virtually have won the league. This loss comes down to multiple personal errors and a collective poor performance + Lovren lol.
Can't begrudge Watford really. Every player has been poor for Liverpool and Watford took advantage of multiple personal mistakes. Even before the game I would never have started with Lovren when you have a fit Matip.
Invincibles, lol
@Byakuya hahaha
some pleasant moment at last for Arsenal's doomed fans...
Liverpool losing 3-0 haha
@nexus747 Hardly surprising, considering the fact that they are dominating possession.
@nexus747 It's not over. Could end 3-1 or why not 4-0?
Still 0-0, what is going on with Liverpool? #KloppOUT
@Patrikovic Not even if Watford won 5 to 0 would Klopp be threatened. He is the Alex Ferguson/Arsene Wenger of Liverpool.
sir Jurgen Klopp? Doesn't sound good, he is more of the popstar or "Flash, aaaaa he saved everyone of us" type.
Watford to score in the first half and yellow for Masina
1-0 Deulofeuuu...
THE Premier League may be forced to hold emergency crisis talks to decide whether Liverpool can be crowned champions if coronavirus wipes out the end of the season.
@nexus747 premier league should hold emergency talks on how let it not turn into a farmers league...
@nexus747 I'll be shocked if Watford didn't win 3-1.
@nexus747 So far coronavirus has killed 1 person from the UK (and that person was in Japan at the time). They might as well call off the premier league on the basis of road traffic accidents as you're 100's of times more likely to die from driving to the match than you are from coronavirus!
@nexus747 Not likely to happen, or was that supposed to be funny? That virus is heavily overhyped when it comes to fatality anyhow. Most people who died from it were weak enough already to be killed by a "regular cold virus" as well. The media loves a good killer virus story though.
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Yeah, yeah....Watford will be the unlikely side to inflict blah...blah...blah..... Liverpool almost drew against West Ham last time around, they will be without Henderson and Milner, their front three is still out of form, and Liverpool's defense conceded 2 goals in the last game at home. On the top of it they will rest key players with the Chelsea game on the horizon. All the while key Watford player Ismaila Sarr will be back in the lineup. I say that this is the time that Liverpool will lose points, perhaps even 3 points because Watford will fight for his life to get out of the relegation zone!
@Zoltan Give this man some respect, underrated
@Byakuya You probably mean overrated, especially since he got a fluke prediction right. Examine the points he makes: 1. He states that henderson and Milner are key players. This is not corrent. 2. He states that the front three are out of form, yet two out of three scored in the last match. 3. He states that liverpool will rest key players. Liverpool did not. 4. He states that Sarr will be back in the lineup, this was true and he did score which was likely if it were to happen. 5. He states that Watford will fight for their lives. Watford played defensive and took advantage of mistakes. They didn't force a win by attacking. Finally, he went against the odds, which is always a bigger gamble. His (previous) points are frankly odd.
@Zoltan Just give it a break. We all know you just want Liverpool to lose or drop points. It has nothing to do with making good predictions so what do you contribute to this site? Here are other facts: 1) In the last 8 games against Watford, Klopps men won seven times and draw one. 2) Liverpool scored the most goals against Watford: 27 goals in 9 games. 3) On Vicarage Road, five out of six times three goals were scored. 4) Mané's and Salahs total contribution for the Reds against Watford in five games against them: thirteen goals, five assists. 5) Milner and Henderson are not key players for Liverpool.
@Big_Boss Sorry, I miss hit "Reported", forget that. I just wanted to reply to your message. So, all the statistics that you quoted are irrelevant! If you did not know, when betting the most recent stats are the most relevant - as you progressively go back in time, those stats are totally irrelevant. That's probably why you are only winning by chance when betting (if at all), as opposed to me (your nick does not count, I am sorry!). If you look at the stats with and without these 2 players you will find that Milner and Henderson ARE INDEED key players for Liverpool in spite of your denial. And finally, when I say that the front three are out of form, I mean according to their most recent stats, not the OVERALL, and therefore IRRELEVANT stats that you quoted above.
@Zoltan And Big Boss is a MGS character for your information.
@Zoltan Speaking of irrelevant, your whole post makes little sense. You want recent stats? 1) Liverpool are in first place, Watford are second bottom of the league. 2) You can win hefty if you bet against Liverpool 3) Watford lost their last game and only gained TWO points from their last five games. 4) Watford will not be hoping to get anything from Liverpool, despite being in the relegation zone. They will play on the defense and maybe hope for a draw bar a fluke goal. 5) Milner and Henderson are not key players since their replacements can do a decent or sometimes better job. A key player is part of the spine, both players are not. Do not assume to know me. I never bet on games. (So much for your assumption). A player can be out of form and still be efficient by scoring or assisting. Both Mané and Salah are 'not in form' but they still scored a goal each. This is relevant to acknowledge the possible outcome of the game. You're basically telling people to bet against the odds.